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In this episode, we follow the inspiring journey of two underdogs, Squalle and the Tyler, as they transition from gritty training partners to trailblazers in the fitness industry. The conversation offers a raw and unfiltered look at the sacrifices and personal toll it takes to defy industry norms and chase entrepreneurial dreams. Squalle's passion for creating unconventional fitness equipment and their shared aversion to traditional labels set the stage for a candid discussion about the grind toward success.
The episode outlines a roadmap from hands-on work to strategic growth, navigating the challenges of leadership and small business operations. It delves into lessons in financial management and the emotional struggles of leading a team while maintaining respect and authority. This narrative is a rallying cry to underdogs and emphasizes the power of mentorship, education, and embracing the grind with an educated approach.
Listeners will find inspiration, practical insights on transitioning from working in their business to working on it, and a renewed readiness to change the game in their own entrepreneurial pursuits.
Ever feel like the underdog in a world where the odds are stacked against you? That's the spirit Squalle and I embody as we reminisce about our journey from gritty training partners to trailblazers in the fitness industry. Our conversation isn't just about the hustle—it's a raw, unfiltered look at the sacrifices made and the personal toll it takes to defy industry norms and chase entrepreneurial dreams. Squalle’s passion for creating unconventional fitness equipment and our shared aversion to traditional labels set the stage for an episode filled with the truth about what it means to grind toward success.
Join us as we lay out the roadmap from hands-on work to strategic growth, navigating the choppy waters of leadership and the intricacies of small business operations. I'll bear it all, from the hard-learned lessons in financial management to the emotional struggle of leading a team while maintaining respect and authority. The episode is a playbook for those who are moonlighting to fund their startups, wrestling with the fear of starting a business, and everyone who's ever felt the burnout from relentless dedication. It's a story of transformation, balance, and the importance of nurturing a community of good-hearted people who empower each other to make a positive impact.
Our narrative is a rallying cry to the underdogs and a testament to the power of good mentorship, the importance of education, and the need to embrace the grind with an educated approach. If you've ever felt the pinch of competing against better-funded rivals or the weight of responsibility in leading a team, this episode will resonate with you. You'll walk away from this heart-to-heart with Squalle feeling inspired, equipped with insights on how to transition from working in your business to working on it, and ready to change the game.
Speaker 1:
Hello and welcome to Underdogs, bootstrapers and Game Changers. This is for those of you that are starting with nothing and using business to change their stars, motivating people who disrupted industry standards. This is the real side of business. This isn't Shark Tank. My aim with this podcast is to take away some of the imaginary roadblocks that are out there. I want to help more underdogs, because underdogs are truly who change the world. This is part of our Content for Good initiative. All the proceeds from the monetization of this podcast will go to charitable causes. It's for the person that wants it. Hello and welcome to episode 2, underdogs, bootstrapers and Game Changers. Really excited to talk to you today. If this is the first time tuning into the podcast, I really always want to hit home messages that are good for underdogs or if you're just starting in business, or how to think differently so you can change the game. And my good buddy here is Squally. You know, pascuali, christopher D is Pascuali, as it were. He's the full. Yeah, I get so used to just calling you Squally these days and everybody else does.
Speaker 2:
Everybody knows me as Squally yeah.
Speaker 1:
And well, that's the one of the things too is I know Squally for a long time now. And just a little bit of background on Squally we actually met at kind of a fight club of sorts, you know, every Sunday we used to train together. By the way, I had no idea at first that group of guys was all prison training partners when we first joined Wasn't planned, yeah so, but really good training got to know Squally really well. One thing I absolutely love about Squally and we have so many commonalities that you're going to find out about today is he's never afraid to break the mold and think of things and so, like in the fitness world, you got super into it, right, you know, like going in and doing what everybody else does traditional machines and stuff and then that wasn't enough for Squally and so he started building his own equipment. He's like why does somebody say this is the way it has to be? So you literally started building equipment in your own shop and then that led. So that was in EHP EHP, engineers of human performance. Yeah, so different swing hate to be called a personal trainer.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, I even I even have a problem with that. Yeah, even the status quo, the terms that have been coined, the for lack of better terms have all been brain screwed. Sure, and it's that way in many industries.
Speaker 1:
Well, when we're trying to fit everything into the same box, right? It's like who's to say the equipment in the gym is the perfect equipment, right? And you said, no, it's not. And so you started developing your own Exactly. If you'll let me, folks too, I'll actually put some of those clips on there. I don't know if he's going to let me, because some of the patents are pending. But the other thing I want you to know about Squally is you probably won't find him out there anywhere, and it's only because he hasn't put himself out there at all. He did what I did, you know, and that's we locked ourselves behind our businesses. We used training and fitness to deal with our stress Both of you have, both of us have extremely broken bodies these days, and we can't give it up and and just kind of lived at our business, which and that's why Squally and I got to get along so well is like I don't know anybody else in the world at this point. I'm sure there's more that started the way you and I did.
Speaker 2:
Never uncanny. Yeah, never met somebody who traveled at the same time down the same path. Yeah, same bumpy roads, same turns. So, yeah, a lot in common. Yeah, both we both have experienced and felt a lot of the same same things. I think, yeah, we've both parallel paths, really made some of the same mistakes, and both still trying to figure out some of the same things.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, oh, on a daily basis, you know. And so the first thing I want to really approach is you and I have kind of embraced this grind mentality, and there's a lot of things on the internet that say stay away from the grind mentality. You should only be working 40 hours a week. Work on your business, not in your business, and I would say so. We decided we're going to splurge a little bit on this podcast. I'm going to so Squally doesn't feel so bad. I would say how the fuck do you work on your business when you're the only person?
Speaker 2:
It's, it's, and we still talk about it. Yeah, it's, it's a conundrum, but there's no doubt yeah, there's no doubt that a lot of the advice that people give it's over generalized. It's too simplistic. Totally Okay, we get into these industries, we get this grind, unless you started with a fat ass bank account. Yeah, okay, funded to the teeth. Yes, with all these people around you, basically already padded.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, telling you every single way, every single piece of red tape to cut. You're the one, yeah.
Speaker 2:
You know, you're the one, you're the one with the passion, you're the one with the ideas. Yeah, and a lot of times we do have fears. We don't just dive right into this, this facet of business, right away. Yeah, we start out in this direction. Yep, so a lot of us have to moonlight. You're already working a 30, 40 hour work week. Yes, and and I've had that question presented to me so many times yeah, these younger kids, hey, squally, how do you? I want to start this, I want to start this. How do you do it? Because I bartended all these years as well, yeah, and I wouldn't take that away for anything. Sure, because that helped fortify. Yeah, but I pulled legit 24 hour days, oh, yeah, and you know there is no other answer than the fucking G word Totally the grind, absolutely. Now balance, and you gotta find it. Yeah, but what relationship is the most important to you? So I've had this discussion with other colleagues that have families, yeah, and I'm like man, look, you got, you got relationships you need to consider. You want to be self employed, become an entrepreneur and do these great things? Yeah, that's your number one relationship. Yeah, that's a 24 seven marriage. Totally. You don't want to wake up one day and end up losing both. Yeah, so sometimes it's just not the right timing. Yeah, everybody could do it at some point, but you need to be 100% dedicated to the grind. Yes, and that grind very well could be 24 seven.
Speaker 1:
And that's the so. One thing to add here like most of the stuff online is about a very small percentage of the business. That's why people are saying you know, screw this grind mentality. That's wrong. You know, have life balance, have, you know, like, have your employees take care of your business, that sort of stuff that happens later, right, that doesn't happen at first, and so at first, the only thing you have as an underdog, if you're not heavily funded, if you didn't just raise $5 million in capital because those are the people online talking about this stuff, the grinders, they're too busy, right, Right, you know they're too busy to talk about this stuff online, so you won't get stuff, right.
Speaker 2:
Then, when you have a really extraordinary product yeah right, yeah, entity idea how long does it take to find those individuals that you can hand that, that baby, over to? Totally it take a long time and maybe sometimes, as both of us can agree, we've experienced yeah, maybe not possible.
Speaker 1:
Yep, some products you're not like. We talk about scaling, custom work all the time. It's like everybody wants to do custom work because it's cool. Right, you do a ton of custom work, all that's. That's how, like the equipment went into now doing all kinds of crazy stuff. He's done a lot of stuff around town in a full metal fab shop. Yeah, so, one thing led to the other. But we know custom work isn't scalable, right Right, it's only scalable to a certain extent because you can only find so much good labor for it, right, right. So, but I like you, we never looked into the business like maybe wanted to have a huge business, but we started actually the wrong dreams to have a huge business. Actually, with your workout equipment stuff could be a huge business, could be. Yeah, but when?
Speaker 2:
you when you want to continually buck the norm, yeah. When you really really want to be that extraordinary, yeah Well, what is extraordinary? Extraordinary? Yeah, right. Well, no offense to 90% of what's out there. Yeah, there's a lot of ordinary Totally hey, successful individuals, no doubt Very successful, probably more successful than myself, but there's a lot of following, yeah, and especially in the human performance industry and the equipment and the training, somebody sees something and boom, you see it six times after that, Totally 10 times. Next thing, you know everybody's just copying, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Sheet. And there's a point I really want to get to too. It's like this is for the other side of business, right? This is for the 90% of us that don't start with the heavy funding, with a dad that can teach you about business or anything else. So the only thing we have in common with the people that do go those things is time how you use your time, right. It's that's the only thing we have in common. So you and I know firsthand experience. You have to sacrifice to get to what you want, right? It's like both of us are in our businesses 120 hour weeks. The only thing I made time for was workouts. That's it. Other than that, it was. It was lock yourself behind your gates. You and I are so identical that way, you know had to start from nothing. So I lived in a trailer on the back lot with no hot water or no water whatsoever Sorry, no electricity, you know. You know what it was like taking a nap at four o'clock in the afternoon before going to train with you the animals. You know when it's 120 degrees outside the trailer ready to go to bed.
Speaker 2:
Getting ready to go to bed, where most people are just the most comfortable. They could be sitting on the edge of your bed with sweat dripping down on the floor and you know not saying. That's the way it's got to be.
Speaker 1:
No, and we don't want it to be that way for everybody.
Speaker 2:
But it's a little window, a little glimpse into what we were willing to do. And it's not to say that we don't care about others, our family and friends. We don't want to have relationships, but sometimes it just it's not the right time. No, it can. You know, you can either sacrifice this dream of this extraordinary ideal that you want, yeah, or there's going to be some sacrifice on this other side, with some personal relationships, and I think you know I'm not going to speak for you. Yeah, but we were both so inundated, yeah, I plowed everything aside, yeah, and I think everybody knew that I still gave a shit about them. Friends, family, oh, yeah, I literally, yeah, everything. And I think both of us can agree. There's a well, obviously you want to learn how to moderate literacy, but it can go too far, absolutely you can, and then it can become counterproductive. Next thing, you know you wake up and you're like, oh shit, I'm burnt. Do I even want to do this anymore? And where is, where's my circle? Where are all my family and friends? Yeah, and not only pushed them all aside.
Speaker 1:
When you do something a long enough time, your mind breaks in a different direction. Right, and so, if you're used to 120 hour a week, if you were used to 26 training sessions a week, you know. If you're used to dealing with brokenness and still pushing through that mental toughness, right, it was one of the best and worst things I ever learned, you know, because it's destroyed my body, you know, but this was what worked, right, and so it's hard to change that formula. So then, when you don't have to do it anymore and you move to the on-your-business phase, right, you know where your employees are supposed to be picking up the slack. You're working on your business, you're not in the business. This, folks, is what I really wanted to talk with squally about, because actually we talk about this all the time. He'll call me and you say, tyler, I just took a little bit of time to go, like what do? A yoga class or something Whatever? Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:
I'm trying to restore a little bit now. Sure, I woke up all of a sudden and I realized, you know, always, always able to recover. Yeah, one week you feel a little burnt out, you feel a little tired, a little beat up. Next week you're back in it. Yeah, look, I don't care who you are. Yeah, after two, three decades, I'm not just talking about working hard. Yeah, I'm talking about 24-7. Yes, we're human. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, and I always knew this. I didn't mean to like shove everybody's side. Balance, balance, balance. We got to be careful. Sure, we need to surround ourselves with you, have the loved ones, you have the and not saying that our loved ones, our friends, can't be driven as well, but more often than not, they're trying to bring you back down to normal. Yeah, they're trying to talk to you about balance and staying healthy and why you're working so hard and be careful. Yep, got to take a break. Yeah. It's good to have that. But in this type of grind, this kind of road, we got to make sure we surround ourselves with those mentors that have done that and get it yeah To keep us fueled.
Speaker 1:
That's the biggest switch to try to pull it's like. So you'll take a little bit of time these days and you'll call me like Tyler. I feel so guilty about taking this time off work, you know.
Speaker 2:
We are yeah, produce, yeah, yeah, find that long goal, get there, yeah, no matter what. Yeah, no matter what.
Speaker 1:
I mean, that's the thing you think of the tortoise and the hare, right, the hare is always running, stops, runs, right, yeah, you and I are like fast tortoises. Oh, never stop, never stop, never stop. If you stop, the hare is going to get ahead, right, and usually your competitor, you know, I know you've dealt with this too your competitors are billionaires, right, yeah, how do you make up the distance on a billionaire? You know, like Mark Cuban actually said work every day like somebody's trying to make it away or take it away. Yeah, it's like well, mark, you got a family. Now you know, it's like you're doing some balance. This is one edge I can have. You know, we're actually starting a business. I don't even know why I might have to cut this that competes with one of Mark Cuban's businesses, and my thought is it's like Mark, I don't have a family, I'm still willing to do the 120 hours a week. I will work like somebody's going to take it away from me. That's my edge, right? Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:
But it's just it's. You know, I like that tortoise and the hare, because I think what I'm trying to do is try to push that, that guilt, all that guilt of being a little more of a fucking turtle. Yeah, right, it's okay. Yeah, as long as you're still focused, yeah, little, refocus, right, yeah, and and. And. One of my biggest problems is lofty goals. Yeah, lofty, you have them, nothing wrong with it. Yeah, that turtle man, I want to find that. I want to start focusing on those shorter ones, because everybody out there that really wants to recreate the wheel on their own, starting with nothing, yeah, don't expect it to happen the way you want. No, in the realm that you want, I mean the patience man. I never had patience, yeah, you know no, me too.
Speaker 1:
And it's always got to be bigger. It's always got to be better, including myself. You know it's like I'll allow everybody else in the world to be normal. You know it's like, but no, not me. You know no, you better get your 26 workouts a weekend. You better work your 120 hour weeks. You know you better be out there sweating in the sun. You know you better be doing these things.
Speaker 2:
Yeah Right, it's, it's you do grab a hold of that, that threshold mentality? Yeah, and do you have to be careful I'm not trying to, no, that's worse and back down from it too much? Yeah, because I do believe in continuing to find new thresholds to break through. That's life, it's the edge and the edge keep you know. But it's if you do not continue to have that kind of mindset, yeah, you'd be broken.
Speaker 1:
But here's the thing that I think, when I mentioned having this podcast today about like the grind, you know, especially because this is the other side of the grind, this is the way, underdogs, you can make up the distance. I'm sorry and I hate this path for you. I hate to think about somebody living the way I did in a rat, infested, you know area and like living off $50 a week in this sort of. I don't want that for other people, but if you don't have anything else, you still can do it. Right. We exqually in our like living examples that if you suffer, you can gain through that suffrage. Right, If you do what other people won't do when they're out Friday night, I used to tell myself what do I have that I can edge the gap on people with? You know it's like well, not much, except when they're out on a Friday night partying I'll be under a car. You know, like if you're better, lose that FOMO fast, yes, Uh huh, Cause it'll kill you. Oh, totally, I didn't mean. I mean, how is dating like when you're in this grind mentality? No women wants to deal with you.
Speaker 2:
No, I mean luckily, early on I was bartending, so I had that little bit of social exposure, you know, and still making money, so you're not outspending it, yep. But came a point where it's like I can't, you know doing three different things running a full business, 10, 12 hours a day, training center, then filming and designing these training mechs, and then bartending. At some point had to cut some of it, sure, and you know that's when the work becomes your marriage, you know 100%.
Speaker 1:
Well, and that's where I would say anybody with. So I had it easy. Really, nobody really counted on me, right? Because and it's an easy thing to find some success when it's like and I talk about the golden couch all the time I don't know if you've ever heard me talk about this, but the golden couch is somebody like Mark Zuckerberg, whose family was really wealthy. They can take a shot at a lofty business and then, if they fail, they land on the golden couch.
Speaker 2:
Well, that's just it. Like if you're set up to take a shot with double up buck shotgun right 10 times, yeah, it's a little different than those of us that have to put a little pebble in a slingshot and keep trying and hit it once you know a little different.
Speaker 1:
Totally Well and it's like, if your business means so, my choice was I make it or I'm homeless. There was no center ground to that, you know like, and so you do make it right, but it is. You can take bigger risks. You know, and I know we haven't taken like we've taken risks, we're still risk takers, but at the same time I don't shoot for the loftiest risks all the time because I don't have a landing post.
Speaker 2:
Nobody's going to save me, there's no net, it's it's, I'm one of the biggest culprits, yeah, and Fear. Yeah, I mean fuck man. Yeah, it's the biggest dirtiest four letter word. We all know that, and underdogs especially have the fear.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, yeah, how can you know? Because there's no net, there's no golden couch.
Speaker 2:
So you know that fear, and then the, the perfectionism. Yeah, that is either there or comes from. You know, I can't put this out until this is perfect. Yeah, do this kid. Yeah, motherfucker, one foot in front of the other and go. Yeah, like that's, that's, that's me talking to me. Yeah, continuing to tell myself to do it. Yeah, you know, because it's tough.
Speaker 1:
So one thing that's interesting is when you join this podcast, you have to sign a waiver. You know much like. You walk into Arizona combat sports and we sign a waiver so we can beat each other up and not be liable legally liable. So squally signed my waiver so I'm allowed to do what I want to him in this room today. And like squally, that would be one thing. That like took me a long time because you and I weren't social media people. You know you're still not and I wouldn't like the thought of being on a podcast. You know we were offered four reality shows in my first business. I turned them all down. You know this. Like very few people knew the charities I was involved with. Nobody actually knew the charities I was involved with. Nobody knew the that I even owned a business most of the time. They thought my employees did. You know it's like. But here's the thing. It's like we're sitting behind the scenes and we actually have stuff up here that can be helpful. Right, yeah, there's a lot of yeah and here's the. The main thing and I talked to a lot of people about this these days is like is evil ever humble? Is evil ever. If you get online right now are we going to see somebody with their Ferrari saying join my program for $50,000 a month, you know like, because then you can be like me in the Ferrari. Is that guy humble?
Speaker 2:
You know you want to, you want to believe In the best. Yeah, Right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Okay, maybe this person started here. They deserve this, this thing, but there's no doubt that the masses of the Tylers and the Squalys yeah, there's too many out there that have something very extraordinary to offer, thank you have worked their balls off, and it's not anybody else's you know fault, but ours. Sure, we need to use those extraordinary tools that are available to us. Yeah, you know you got to grow. Yeah, and you have to, you got to jump in.
Speaker 1:
So how often am I telling you this stuff these days? Because this took me a lot of fear, I'm afraid. Every time I make a post, every time I make a podcast, you know, I think about it and you and I are perfectionists. So I've thought of this in every single horrible way that it can happen. But then, like I'm mostly trying to focus on every single good way it can happen, like the kid out there right now that doesn't think he can open a business or she, and we've just told them, like you can do it right, yeah, you can do it, absolutely can do it.
Speaker 2:
When you're, when you're in it yeah, at first, and that second, the step you didn't want to take. Yep, it sucks. Yeah, like this sucks. This could be better, this could be better. What I'm trying to do, yeah, is focus on the hundredth and the 200th. You'll look back and you'll be like, oh, that was funny. Yeah, that was archaic in comparison to where we're at now. Yeah, but you won't even give a shit by that point.
Speaker 1:
Well and you and I know this path all too well Like I don't know what size you were in high school or whatever, but I wasn't a big guy in high school. No, I was, that's skinny.
Speaker 2:
That's where the you know. See my bio. I was an artist. Yeah, if I could create something, that's it. I thought I was destined for art school. Yeah, that chip on my shoulder to see what I could do with my body and and and the human body, and the thresholds took over. Yeah, and all that creativity for the next four, four, three, four, three decades Just literally took over and ever, and since then, I literally could create, you know, a, a threshold out of anything to see what the, the body and the mind can produce. Sure, and that's how I started being able to develop these extraordinary training platforms and the equipment and everything else.
Speaker 1:
And that's my chip. It started as a little bit of a vendetta, sure you know I mean, and that's my point to it is like you, you, you can see progress in our fitness journeys, right, or training journeys, or whatever.
Speaker 2:
It's like you can see he's correct, he's correcting himself because I don't even like the word fitness. Yeah, human performance.
Speaker 1:
And so, and so we've seen that progress, right, and then we've seen the business progress, and so if you don't start somewhere and even with content creation, if you don't start somewhere, you never have the chance to grow into it, right?
Speaker 2:
So I'm, I'm feeling a little bit of in the tone of of lecture right now, because this has been the tone of our conversations lately. You sign the waiver, dude, he's, he's my guy, these are my guys right here. They're gonna, they're gonna start to blow this shit up. Yeah, I'm telling you squally, I'm the biggest culprit I have. I have over probably 50 gigs worth of film footage, yeah, and for almost four to five years was filming daily, yeah, and nightly, yeah, with the training and the and the equipment Somewhere along the way. Yeah, it got daunting, yeah, or I got the perfectionism took hold, yeah, like you know well you and I are.
Speaker 1:
it's never good enough people, yeah, right. And so and that's what I love, you know, like, like some of my close friends, like you is like I truly believe, and if you're out there right now, and like you grew up with a good heart, I truly believe this. You know, like, if you're a good heart of people, person, get out there, train, get involved with MMA. The world needs more, and that's what I love about you, squaly You're a good hearted badass and the world needs more good hearted badasses. Right, you know those are the people that change the world. Those are people that will stop on the side of the road and help somebody. Right, you know those are the people that will stick up for things that aren't right when they see them. You know it's like, and we didn't start that way. You know I speak for me, but I know a little bit about your history too. This woman on our bully, this podcast. She said you become the hero that you needed when you were younger. You know, I wasn't this confident when I was younger.
Speaker 2:
I wasn't this, and that's a good If you're not there yet. Yeah, that's something good like a visual for people. Sure, that's what you want to be. Yeah, like, take that little kid by the hand and picture yourself walking around with him or him or her, and it's a, yeah, it's, it's. It's a really good visual for people because it's what you know with the you have today.
Speaker 1:
Let's say, the you have today runs into your you know 16 year old self. Like, would he even recognize it? Would you even believe that the you have today is you know? Would he even listen to you? Like? No way, dude, that's. There's no way. I grew up to be that, no no, I mean prior to that, 161718.
Speaker 2:
That's when I really started, yeah, like obsessing about any kind of training, any kind of physical, mental, anything that I could potentially get into Prior to that. No way. Yeah, no way, yeah Same with others that knew me back then family friends it's like Holy shit, yeah, no way, that's the same person.
Speaker 1:
And that's you know. And here's the thing, and I think you feel the same. It's like these struggles that you go through, like learning to train, doing the things wrong, getting it right, you know, like now getting some confidence, learning, learning to get punched in the face, learning to get back in there after getting punched in the face, learning to get hit in the face in business, progressing through that. These are all challenges that are hard, right, and I think, since you and I and this is another message I want for people out there starting with nothing, these challenges actually build you to other destinies. Right, like for me, it wouldn't be worth enough just for money alone to continue my success, right, no, no but it's almost correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2:
But you almost feel like if you finish out the rest of the years of your life, yeah, and you don't fulfill all of this, that you have to give, yeah, it would be a, it would be a sin, absolutely, it would literally be a crime, and you know people talk about at the end you have regrets, of course you have them, but when you feel that passionate, that you have something that that strong, that big to give, yeah, just saying just working your ass off or something, or yeah but when you, when you know you know, we've gotten our ass kicked in business Especially, and it wouldn't be worth it if we didn't come out with the stories and share them.
Speaker 1:
And I'm back to content again. Right, yeah, for the money alone it's not worth it. For the story and helping somebody, hell yeah, it's worth it. You know, like the fires, the robberies, the unfair employees, the competitors turning me in, you know those are now stories that are used to help people with.
Speaker 2:
I have. I have obviously both. Do you have this dichotomy? Social media yeah, it's being exploited, being used for, for mindless bullshit yeah, a lot of it. Right, and can literally entranced so many people and get addictive. But you can, you it's. It's also this amazing learning, self development tool. When you search for it, yeah, when that's what you're looking for, if you don't get caught up in the BS. It's such an amazing tool. Yeah, I mean those that you know might need to go see a therapist or or get, you know, just resonating with there. There's so much good shit out there.
Speaker 1:
If we didn't read stories about people that had come from nothing and done something, how would we ever know that was possible for us either?
Speaker 2:
You know, because we don't ever believe it. Yeah Right, no, you had this much money, you had this bit of luck, you had blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:
Well, and what sucks squall is is most of the people that are boasting these things these days. You know it's like they did have that and then automatically, like some of us in the world, go and well, they had that, you know. So that's not me. You know it's like like Mark Zuckerberg. He had, you know, a extremely rich upbringing, went to Harvard right, got like funded for a business that he stole. That's not my. What am I going to learn from Mark Zuckerberg? You know like, that's not not. This is not my life at all. It doesn't seem anything like a path that I can walk on. Right. I'm going to end up in Harvard tomorrow and then I'm all of a sudden going to get handed millions of dollars to start a company that I stole. Yeah, sorry, I'm beating up on Mark Zuckerberg a little bit, pick it.
Speaker 2:
I mean, it's those, it's, it's. It reminds me of the way myself and one of my guys first started actually diving and building the training max. Yeah, we didn't have all this equipment. Sure, you could see if people could see what we created. Like, you design that, you built that. Yeah, with a grinder, a hand grinder, a welder and a chop saw on the floor and great point. I mean no joke. Yeah, brick by brick by with our hands. Yeah, not a bunch, not an infusion of money taking it to some big engineering firm. And you know, for fuck's sake, I tried to work with a few engineers no offense to great engineers, but because I grinded 24, seven, yeah, and didn't accept roadblocks and kept, I had already figured everything out by the time they would try to solve questions. I would ask there are.
Speaker 1:
There are so many good points there and I just want to make sure everybody gets it.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, but that's one of the others.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Right. I mean, get the fuck out there. Do your shit, make your mistakes yeah. In business, do your craft, be careful. Yeah. Relying on some institution for four or five years to teach you all these things? Get out, yeah.
Speaker 1:
And do it? Yeah, no, you have to. I mean and I'm, you know, I'm a huge educational promoted, a proponent, as having gone to a lot of education, but I mean, the same is true in one of my businesses. We had a Roger, a manufacturing company that did brand new vehicles approach us and so we used to build, as you know, we used to build custom stuff in their vehicle, small run manufacturing stuff, and nine times out of 10, I was correcting their engineers or I would go over there and I'd have to change something because it didn't work in real life. But starting like the hammer, like you're talking about, and too many people like I can't start because I don't have this tool, right, and have you heard the story? Like, I got to look it up. But there's a guy that wanted to get into the belt business, like this belt, right, and the machine cost $100,000. Right. And he's like, well, I don't have $100,000. I want to be in the belt and business. So he went out to Home Depot and he grabbed a bunch of parts. He threw them all together. It was like six grand. He was in the belt business and guess what? That machine now is the one they use in the industry. Yeah, like that's exactly what you're talking about. It's like you started with a hammer and you've developed this thing that you're afraid to put out in the world, which you need to start doing. People always ask yeah.
Speaker 2:
And well, as Tyler just says, I shouldn't be afraid to do something. Yeah, and I'm getting ready to say don't be fearful of trying new things. But you know, people always ask how'd you learn how to do this, how'd you learn how to do that? How'd you learn it? Doing it, just trying it? Yeah, I didn't go to some school or go to, you know, to go learn. Sure, you dive in and you get your hands dirty, right and you go in and you fail. Yeah, you know, but then you learn?
Speaker 1:
I mean, how many? So we had the second largest powder coating setup in the city third largest, something like that and it's like I didn't know anything about part of coding. When I first started, I sat there with a textbook and I was used to this because, speaking of school that you're bashing on, I was finishing my biochem degree.
Speaker 2:
Hey look we both have college degrees. Yeah, I wouldn't take that away for anything. Yeah, but luckily I developed a passion for what I was studying. That's where I agree with you. Yeah, I never intended to actually take the degree to go get a conventional job with it. Yeah, I took that knowledge along.
Speaker 1:
I'm not a biochemist, right.
Speaker 2:
And then went and and was able to do the things that and see things in a different way, yeah, than others, because of that education. So I'm not sitting here saying, oh, I don't have an education or people shouldn't do it. Yeah, be careful what you're expecting out of it.
Speaker 1:
You need both, right. And I want to get back to this powder coating machine because, like the, you need both in life. You need the education. And then also, it's like you don't go into our MMA gym, you know, and say I'm here, I showed up, make me awesome, right, you can't do that at school either. You have to show up to, you have to like learn something. You're like whoa, that's pretty cool. Now I'm going to go out and study this on my own Right. But with the powder coating stuff, I was so used to like turning over my books when I first started my first business from I, you know, I was still finishing my biochem degree, right, I started my first business. So every night, eight o'clock, pull out the books, right, and study until I went to bed. Well, I was used to doing that and so, like, I picked up after I graduated powder coating book textbook and I read it for a year and then then I originally got a little oven like you would use at home to bake cookies, you know, and I got this tiny little setup and I started playing with powder coating and then, when I got the hang of it, then eventually I looked and I found this beautiful set of powder coating equipment huge oven that you could drive a car into in a couple more, and and that's what got us into the powder coating business and, by the way, this also set up a barrier to entry for my competitors, because nobody else was doing their own powder coating Right. So we had faster turnaround times, we had better costs, all these things, and so that was literally from picking up a textbook, like you're saying.
Speaker 2:
And and a point there that that's stupid important for the long road, as far as needing to have a passion, a real, legit foundation of passion for this road, this grind Cause you're not, you're not coming out the other end still wanting to do it, not being broken. You know, hey, some get lucky, but this long road it has to start with a passion for something. In case in point, the studying. I got years of college and a degree. I can't read, I can read, I can read. I can't sit down and read a book that I don't give a shit about, but I can study and learn anything if I'm passionate about it. That's my ADHD right, and so that's super important point, because if it doesn't start with that passion like I couldn't even focus on it for a second. I can't even take a piece of furniture. I gotta build it my way, Like I don't even wanna look at the. That's how bad I am.
Speaker 1:
So here's my biggest point to college too and I didn't mean to dwell on this so much. It's like if you start it, you need to finish it. I don't care, right, I mean too many people out there. The message is I dropped out of college. Should we pick on Zuckerberg again? I dropped out of college and I became a billionaire. Right? That's not true for most of us. That started from nothing. You know, it's like I'm not saying everybody needs college degree. I'm a huge proponent. I owned custom auto shops at one point. Those guys make well over six figures a year. You don't have to do it. But my point is if you decide to do it, finish it right, and you will finish it. If it's your own resources, it's like Mark Zuckerberg didn't pay for his own schooling If I would have dropped out. I'm a fool and you never know how you're gonna use something either. Right, my biochemistry stuff. It made me really good at dumbing things down to myself so I could understand it, and now I help people win business with it because I can break down complex subjects. I can make them really interesting and easy, and that's what I really gained from that right that obviously I get to build my own supplements and understand my body more. You know so.
Speaker 2:
But that's another. I don't wanna now create another tangent, but that was something else that I think about. Another thing that I'm getting better about okay, those of us that are this driven and this passionate and willing to go and start these entities and these going down these roads that most people are like, nah, I'm gonna sit in a parking lot, you have to. And some people are good early on in knowing here's where my skill lies, or my skills lie, here's my lane. Yeah, I'm not good at this, this and this, and you need to surround yourself with those people. I'm very stubborn, I can't follow. It's taken me this long to realize and that's why it's so good networking with you and realize I'm the most creative motherfucker on the face of the earth. There's nothing I can't create right and now build, but the structure, the organization of the business side, especially being a small business, it can be something that can take all that away from you. You have to know, or know that you have the ability to grasp and take the time to learn it, which here's an individual that everybody's gonna wanna be turning to for that plug intended. But you have to know.
Speaker 1:
You do, and that's actually one of the major parts with small business. Somebody's amazing plumber, they're amazing electrician. They can't just figure out the business ops right. So, and so that's something I'm passionate about too is making all that stuff easier for people, because it can be, and the reason I learned is because I figured it all the hard way. I got my ass kicked on it. As we know, this is the best way to learn. You get punched in the face a couple times. You keep your hands up better, right. Business is no different. You get hit with a couple things. You keep your hands up better, yeah yeah, so it's.
Speaker 2:
hey, some people are blessed they can be good at all of it or they can lie and figure out how to fake it. It's taken me long enough, but there's a point that hopefully those out there that are taking heat to some of this they realize it sooner than later. Drop your fucking ego and realize what you're really good at.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, know what you know and know what you don't know.
Speaker 2:
And surround yourself with good people.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I mean, we don't think about this either enough. But big business, right, ceo, he has a master of everything beneath him right, he's in charge of strategy and that's it. You don't get that choice when you start independently. Right, you have to learn how to do a little bit of all of it, but then C-E-F-N-O-O yeah, absolutely. The good thing, though, is you can gather like I didn't know I was gonna be good at accounting squally. I had no idea and I didn't know I was gonna become a nerd passion for it, like-.
Speaker 2:
I always thought, maybe you were kinda-.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, a numbers guy, not I don't know, but yes, I guess I never knew it.
Speaker 2:
But yeah, but once again, you didn't. But you had a passion that drove you to need to investigate that right.
Speaker 1:
Well, I love data is what it came down to. You know and I like I'm big on how do you make decisions and gathering information to make decisions. And when I realized that having a good P&L that was properly put up was now a crystal ball for my business it allows you to make better decisions right and so when I embraced that, I was like man, you better not miscategorize that. You know that expense there that better be in the right bucket. You know, because, like I want complete clarity in my books so I can make good decisions. So you have to realize that it's not a pain in the ass to sit down and do your books when you realize what the outcome could be. But accounting's for a different day.
Speaker 2:
Nope, but once again, that's. Some might not think of it as a short-term goal, that's a baby step goal that needs to be achieved. And that's where I've very often fallen short is I'm reaching for this constantly and I'm like, oh, that little bit of time on those P&Ls. I'll know, because I'm, you know, mindset was always, you know, headhunting like a freight train to the big goals and I kind of overlooked a lot of the smaller goals. That I guarantee would make my life much easier, you know.
Speaker 1:
Well and everybody's like, oh, I'm just gonna get an accountant for that part. Here's the issue is. It's like I tell people all the time until you can afford an in-house accounting person, I'm sorry, be in your books a little bit, at least you need to know what's going on. It's this is a silly analogy, but the other day they upcharged my dumpster fee on me, right, I noticed it right away because I'm in my books a little bit. You know so sure I have CPA. You know generally handles a lot of that stuff. But I like to classify things too, and that's what this frustrates the heck out of me. That's what people do to small businesses too. The dumpster company knows that you probably have a bookkeeper that just chalks that up to an expense and you'll never know right. Nobody's gonna get on the phone and ask why the phone bill's increasing. You know Like nobody's gonna. No bookkeeper off site is gonna be able to catalog your transactions perfectly for your business. They're gonna guess at it. And now you're in the wrong buckets and you don't have that crystal ball. Anyway, I wanna get to accounting on a different episode, but it's important to touch on that sort of stuff. You and I are talking about the grind, you know, and so, like we initially, like I wanna talk about the benefits of the grind, which we did, you know, but you and I now suffer this right. It's like I started to say, like you'll call me and say, tyler, I feel so guilty for going out and doing this today. Or you know, I was in Europe and I'm like feeling guilty every single day, that I'm just kind of enjoying myself or whatever, Because I'm so used to that mentality of getting things done every day. I mean now, like, wouldn't you say this is like when you take some time for yourself, it's hard to enjoy it, isn't it?
Speaker 2:
It's just believe it's like any other addiction. I mean you just it does. It gets really tough. And look, we're not talking about 10 years of hard work, or we're talking about two to three decades. We're talking about 363 plus days a year, 18 hours a day, literally hibernating in this task or this business. And think about that. Think about then coming out and trying to normalize that a little bit after all those years, especially when it's worked and when you're not quite to your quote unquote envisioned pinnacle right. I can't say what it would be like if I felt like I was there quote unquote, right, but you're never gonna feel there. No, true, because right, exactly.
Speaker 1:
But if I would we find a new challenge.
Speaker 2:
The second that Closer felt like but that makes it even that much more difficult when you're like I got a ways to go and you have been in that mentality for so many years of where you know the little bit of sleep you try to get. You wake up an hour later and you're going and you're creating. I'm getting up, I'm getting up and I'm gonna finish my thoughts when I'm driving, when I'm doing anything. So to try to scale that back and turn it down, that's the danger.
Speaker 1:
You and I don't have the answer to it either, and so I think it's important to know that this is a piece of something you can do to be successful. But I don't know, maybe the answer is you pull off the gas a little bit when you, but the problem is you never. Once you have one thing, you're like I've gotta get the next thing, I gotta grow, I gotta get bigger, I gotta get another location, I gotta open this other business. Once you have that, and especially after the fear is driven away, I don't know if it was like this for you, but I was afraid to death to open my first business, so scared and pushed into it, and I didn't think that was for me. I thought that was for the guy with the rich dad that would show him how to do it. And then I did it, and now the world's my oyster. I see business everywhere. My problem is holding myself back at times. Well right. Which is why I like working with business people Exactly Is because I get to jump into their business and help them Back to surrounding ourselves with like-minded and don't know what defines competent but, individuals that can help you right Like blinders. Yeah, and where to look for help when you need it. It's like and actually I want to say this on my own defense because I know a lot of podcasts out there are like people trying to be business coaches and not stuff. I'm not a business coach. I don't even like to be called a business coach. I do it for free. You know I've traveled around for the last two years. You're a mentor Helping people. Yeah, mentor's good, it's just like you don't like to be called trainer. I don't like to be called business coach because I don't charge money for it. My win on it, you know, my hippie hypothesis to the whole thing is if I get more people with good hearts, more squalys, more other people that have this amazing heart, make them bad asses in business. Now they become successful and they do things for the world. Right, jesus, could you?
Speaker 2:
I mean it's one of my ultimate goals. Yeah, going through this road, yeah, this to become an angel investor, yeah, I Swear to you I can't tell you how many people I would I would love for that to be Attain a goal where that was my business. Yeah, just to help these driven people and, and, and. You're doing this off of Energy, you're doing this off of knowing this is a good person and they're an ass-kicker, and they've, they've, and they deserve a break. They've killed it. Yeah, and you know, because people don't like to hear that they, you know, say no, none of us, we don't deserve anything. Yeah, but I think what we all deserve is More, really, you know, awesome people succeeding in business, small business, because then we will have more of that. Right?
Speaker 1:
absolutely. It's a flywheel right and the, the wealthy are entitled. They're entitled to their success. I'm gonna have it. My uncle was a doctor. My cousin started a billion dollar company. These are normal people to them. I was with them at this family reunion and he's an idiot. He, you know dunks, is headed in the toilet at parties. You know whatever you know, and it's like I can do that too, and I think that's part of the problem with the underdog scenario is like they don't see the normalcy of Wealthy people, successful people. They're normal, you know, completely normal, and in fact a lot of them had been given breaks, right, but you're, some of you aren't gonna be given those breaks and squally, and I are talking about the ways that you can make up that distance, you know, yeah, it's, it's uh, the, the, the breaks, yeah are gonna come, yeah, from an intentional, educated grind, yeah, which. We did, and then learning how to back that off.
Speaker 2:
Which we say we didn't necessarily, yeah, in all aspects follow. Yeah, we grind, we grind it. Yeah, we dirty gritty grind, yeah. But I think where we would like to help people, where I know you want to help people, yeah, is Look, I'm willing to talk about all my shortcomings and the fact that I'm not there yet and all my failures, because once you've traveled through it, once you've been through it, yeah, fuck man, yeah, not just resilience, but the amount of help that you can give people. Sure, like a more intentional, yeah, educated grind, yeah. And I'm just gonna speak for myself yeah, mine was just a balls to the wall, passionate, like like go, yeah, determinated motherfucker, yeah, I can't say, I can't say that there was a whole lot of Educated, yeah, intentional. I didn't follow handbook, maybe I didn't lean on mentors as much as I should have. No, I'm gonna do this, I can do it.
Speaker 1:
I didn't have any that I could think of you know. Yeah, so for me it was anger. Yeah, I was angry at the world. I was angry, angry at things that were unfair to me, people that were unfair to me, people that told me that I would never Be able to do anything. Yeah, you know how much motivation I gained from that, every single. It was hard, right, it's like it. Initially it was hard running a business and pursuing a degree that was complex and, you know, every time I didn't want to pull that chemistry book out at the end of the night. I'm like they wouldn't want you to do that either. You know I'd be at the gym. I've told you this before. I'd be at the gym and I'm like I don't really want to do that last pull. They wouldn't want you to do that last pull up, I mean.
Speaker 2:
The, the, the Battles, the, the things, the obstacles that you have to overcome. Yeah, yourself, yeah, first and foremost, yeah the biggest?
Speaker 1:
do you have yourself figured out? Fuck, no meaning there.
Speaker 2:
But, but I'm determined and I'm willing to fucking figure it out every day. I don't care how, how you know, but but now I know I'm trying to Been many years and it's just the same as physical rehab for surgeries and, yeah, I'm trying To do things better. I am trying to work with that be word a little bit more, whether balance with whether it's just a break right now and give myself the the okay to do it. Yeah, you know you've earned it and and I and I already feel some of that, yeah, energy, yeah, coming back. But it's scary as shit because you feel like maybe you've lost it, like maybe I lost that drive and that Creativity, and what if it doesn't come back? But then you're also that next obstacle is gonna be the people around you. Yeah, they can squash you. Yeah, squash you in the most loving, most like, like good intentioned way. Yeah, squash you. Yeah, because the stuff that they will. You know well what happens if this doesn't work. What are you gonna do if it doesn't work? What are you gonna do if it doesn't work? Well, you're, you need balance. You shouldn't work so much. You should.
Speaker 1:
Work on your business, not in your business.
Speaker 2:
Care about you the most sure, because most people have followed that normal path. And and more power. More power to them if they're happy. But we're not that way.
Speaker 1:
No, and it's hard for people to see that because they get the inundated with the same stuff everybody else does too. Of course You're working too hard in your business, kind of thing, and like, and I'm the first, yes, eventually you have to get to a point where you're working on your business and that's a hard shift. No, they call it going from the grass to the bleachers or whatever. And and that's a hard thing when you're gonna go up, especially when you're used to like I'm a big, like I don't want a boss that doesn't work harder than me. I don't want a boss that Isn't willing to give up sacrifices. I don't want a boss that I beat to work every day, so that in itself, to be a leader worth following is a lot of work. Yeah right, it's like I won't give you a job that won't do myself, and quite often I'll do it with you, right? Oh, of course.
Speaker 2:
It's a semi, with all the different types of training I've done and and the teaching, people like, holy shit, yeah, like I'm gonna try to crush you, but I'll stand right there and I'll show you. There's nothing that I'm gonna put somebody else through, mentally or physically, that I haven't done. Or yes, because, yes, there's no way Okay, yeah, there's no way that you can authentically and with respect, yeah, manage and lead people. If you Can't prove that you've done it or you know how to do it, yes, you'll get seen straight through.
Speaker 1:
Thank you straight through. Thank you, thank you. And that makes that on versus in. So honestly, the answer is you have to be able to jump between both of them. You have to work on your business.
Speaker 2:
You gotta know when yeah, okay, I need to try. I need now enough, enough. Yeah, I need to try to find the right person. Yeah, and that ain't easy.
Speaker 1:
I work. I Worked at a Restaurant, you know, and one of the things they used to do at the restaurant is we weren't, you know, like you and I are into fitness, we like to eat too, right? They wouldn't allow you in a 15-hour ship to eat incredible. I had to actually look into the rules and see if that was legal. But what they did was they allowed the managers to eat a couple meals a day and they ate right in front of you. It's like how are you gonna ever respect that manager? You know they were ruining the horrible system, right? You know, I want, like, most of the time when people have come into my businesses, they think I'm the landscaper at times, you know, and I like that, right, I like that a lot, so, so, I'm gonna Shut.
Speaker 2:
This will be a another time. Yeah, we'll have to talk about that. Yeah, obedience versus respect. Yeah, business something we've beat our heads against the wall very often because, yeah, we both believe in respect.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, first, yeah and it's earned, not given. But yeah, even with employees. Yeah, I don't know it to you if you're not gonna give it to them, but you gotta be careful? Yeah, totally, they're not peers, that was episode one, folks.
Speaker 2:
You know, no, I mean, don't take that the wrong way. No, disrespect, no, they're not below whatsoever Respect, but you gotta be careful. I'm just helping a colleague out who literally might have just, I mean, run the risk of crumbling a business because Becoming too much of a peer with his workers.
Speaker 1:
See, that's a problem Nobody knows about, but it is a problem.
Speaker 2:
Drinking and going out with them. And then the next thing, you know, yeah, they're looking at you like, hey, hippocrates, what are you trying to reel me in for? And talk to me about discipline because you.
Speaker 1:
That's the other side of business. Yeah, that's the part that nobody talks about, because we care about these people. You and I are carrying people in general. Of course, you're gonna care about the people you work with every single yeah and what are you gonna get from a cutthroat businessman?
Speaker 2:
yeah, slow to hire, quick to fire. Yep, I've heard it countless times. Yeah, countless, yeah, it's the truth. Yeah, it's so hard for me to be that way with people.
Speaker 1:
Oh man, I always think I don't think about the person, I think about their family, I think all these other things and it it's hard. But you know mark Randolph, he's the founder of Netflix. He has some good stuff out there and he. One thing I love about him is he's out there and he's teaching people business. He wants nothing in return. There's not very many people out there like that. But he said you have to treat your business like a sports team and I thought that was pretty decent. Actually, it's like so, when somebody isn't making the cut, you have to make those cuts. Yeah, and that's one thing I always struggled with, because traditionally, if you look at most businesses as they grow, they lose most the original staff, but we're such loyal people that's hard to even fathom, right? So, but you owe the success of your business and we went over this in the episode you owe it to yourself, your family, your really good employees that are working hard, and the future of what you'll do with that success. If you let somebody drag the ship down just because you feel bad for them, it's like they've done that. You didn't do that right.
Speaker 2:
I just when you're driven, you're passionate, and the other P word I'm sure slides in there a little too much the perfectionism which there becomes this really tough battle that I've literally sat down and talked squally like this Are you being a perfectionist or is this person really not living up to your standards? And that's very difficult.
Speaker 1:
I mean honestly.
Speaker 2:
I would have ended up doing it anyway, but one of the reasons that I, once I'm in a type of business I can study the economics long enough to see there are some that just aren't. Doesn't fly, doesn't work. Thank you, yes, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:
No, some business models don't work.
Speaker 2:
I don't care what anybody says. Now it can work if you scale that business model and turn it into, let's say, a franchise, but just that one particular business. So there's a lot of entities in the quote unquote fitness world that unfortunately, some individuals out there thinking about some things don't work for the long haul.
Speaker 1:
And you'll have people online that are real intentioned. That'll tell you they will, just so they can sell something.
Speaker 2:
So I always wanted to do something very super extraordinary, and when I say extraordinary I mean every minute of the day. Everything, everything that had to do with our product was extra ordinary. I don't think a lot of people really break that word down often enough and realize it doesn't mean I'm better than anybody else, but it means that there's not one chance for anybody to ever say that every waking minute of every day I'm not out of the ordinary with what I do.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, ok, and you get what you aim for too, right? Right, by making it known, by pronouncing it and recognizing it. But individuals.
Speaker 2:
I had working with me other strength conditioning specialists, trainers a little bit of friction, because they're like oh, why you so this? Why you so that You're above and you want to be so extraordinary, why can't you just? No, this is what I want, and if you can't put in the time to be that, then I don't want it. It was one of the reasons I started shifting from the training to building the atmosphere. Yeah, because I knew that was something I could control.
Speaker 1:
Man, this has been awesome. Squally, yeah, so unfortunately we're at an hour, but I mean really the take-homes that we wanted for people today is, once again, I think you have to embrace the brine. I think it's a thing that you can use as a tool. Learning how to finally pivot out of that is difficult. Talking about content, it's one of the few ways in this world that we can. I read founder of Walmart's book and he said one of the ways you can compete with small mart as a small business is you can personalize your business. What better way to show what your business is than talking on camera like this, showing who your employees are? It is important Go overcome your fear with the content stuff, because your success is more important and what you're going to do with it, and I'm talking to squally today, too, about that. Yeah, you have to and embrace the grind until you don't have to.
Speaker 2:
Well, exactly, and you know.
Speaker 1:
And learn to live life too, because it's important Grind with capital letters.
Speaker 2:
Somehow you have to put the reins on it. You have to know how to stay entrenched, but you've got to know how to keep the reins, I agree, and harness it.
Speaker 1:
We'll probably come back with squally at some point to see if we got this grind thing a little bit more figured out and how to shift that off. So be careful with it. It's a great tool, but a dangerous one. Yeah, great time, Tyler, Thank you. Oh, thank you, man, for coming on. At least we got an hour to chat. Thanks for tuning in Underdogs, Bootstrapers and Game Changers. We'll be back with another episode next week.
